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Currently cruising on 218.75mg Test C, 175mg Primo E, and 3.33iu HGH.
My goals are to recover health markers, improve insulin sensitivity, maintain mass, and lean up a bit.
Basically, set myself up for another growth phase.
I am strongly considering dropping HGH, adding in Metformin, and then taking advantage of the low IGF-1 environment by running PEG-MGF as well.
I would do this for four weeks before the start of my next blast. Then drop the Metformin and PEG-MGF, go back on HGH, and incorporate IGF-LR3 while on cycle.
Any input and advice would be greatly appreciated. I have previous experience with all of these compounds.
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Damn son....you got alot going on here lol!....that's what my Gramps use to tell me!
So I see metformin. I haven't use it but I have been sitting on a ton of that stuff and let me tell ya it stinks lol. A relative had a prescription for it but never used it. I'm somewhat familiar with it but not to sure so I'll holler at you. I do know that Metformin tends to cause fatigue in some folks. But besides that you seem like you gotta well organized plan man
Thanks for chiming in bro. Yeah, something like this for the cut
https://www.ospublishers.com/Metformin-and-Exercise-The-Effects-of-Metfo...
So Metformin does lower your IGF-1, that’s why I’d run the PEG. I figure it’s a good time, not having to compete with IGF-1.
My major concern is metformin does negatively impact your kidneys. So I’d pull bloods first and make sure I’m sitting where I am comfortable
Yea that's exactly why my bottles have been collecting dust. I should post them lol. That smell from them are damn near as bad as guaiacol...well maybe not but it's bad
I got two big ass bottles. The one that’s half full smelled weird, the one that’s packed to the brim didn’t
Yea I wonder why it smelled. When it was first picked up at store ( pharmacy) it had that same smell.
Means you got the good shit bro
Google….
Official answer. Pharmacists and patients are well aware that metformin may come with a fishy smell when you open the bottle. The smell does not mean the drug is spoiled, it's just due to it's inherent chemical characteristics.
Now you know that I'm telling the truth lol
Yea I knew it wasn't spoiled but I figured it was part of it's chemical composition. Kinda like sulfur drugs have a bit of a smell. Matter of fact it kind of smells like sulfur but a bit different.
I believe you cause one of my bottles does stink lol. Good to know it’s normal!
If it ain't stanky it ain't right!..that doesn't apply to women now!
Lmao…. Be like, bitch you ain’t no metformin!
LOL. They would have issues
I’m gunna do basically the same thing besides the metformin. Is that for the insulin sensitivity? And how much peg-mgf are you gunna use in that run? I bought four mgs and I don’t think that’s gunna be enough. But let’s say I don’t buy any more, I hear 2mgs a week is good, so do you think I should do it for two weeks or do less per day and stretch to three weeks or definitely buy more?
You could run 200mcg for 20 days
Ya that doesn’t sound like a horribly small dose or crazy short so that could work. I’ll see what info I can find on dosing and injection schedules
I’m pretty sure that it has a decent half life, I wanna say 48-72hrs. I just ED pin for the same reasons anything else
Hell yeah bro, hit them books. I’d jump back in with you, I just got burnt out on that one. I think I have some material though, if I can find it, I’ll shoot it to you
Ya it’s gets mentally exhausting to just hear/read that shit over and over and over and over and over. After like an hour of reading studies and shit, I can’t even tell if it’s English anymore or what lol. Just jumbled big ass words and I gotta stop for the day. I can only read “satellite cell proliferation” so many times in one day lol. I always say I’d love to do like research in a lab and shit and than after just an hour or two of simple research and my brain is fried so I don’t think that dream is gunna be happening anytime soon
Lmao, satellite cell proliferation. I know bro, I ran through that stuff awhile ago, got an understanding in my head that I was comfortable with, and then just went off to the races.
Ya I have a very basic understanding of its action or whatvever. But now that I’ve read so many different ideas on dosing protocols I’m going to have to dig deeper into half life and the competing for receptors with igf-1 and figure out all that out to see what could work. Cus ive seen guys saying to use it on off days and igf on workout days and guys saying one week mgf and one igf and rotate and then the obvious 4 weeks on and then 4 weeks igf and start the cycle like you said. All this stuff is super interesting to me but then some of this peptide and hgh stuff is way more scientific and way more in-depth and detailed and Difficult for the average person to read into. There’s a lot less anecdotal stuff and just basically scientific documents. Where as with protein and steriods and training everything’s been written for an idiot to understand or a scientist and everyone in between
Welcome to the rabbit hole brother. I’ve seen the split that has you running both peptides in one week. If we go with the fact that PEG has a relatively long half life and that IGF-1 has mulch higher affinity to the IGF-1 receptor (I believe both of these to be true, but could of course be wrong) then running them both in the same week would waste PEG. Unless you inject PEG and then take two or three days off in a row, which I personally do not. Also that intra week protocol doesn’t really leave room for HGH in the equation, which raises IGF-1. The HGH issue can be said for alternating week and bi-weekly protocols as well. I don’t want to stop and start growth. I’ve tried that, I’ve tried shorter high dosage cycles. I prefer long, I believe it needs time to do its thing. There are other benefits to growth aside from elevated IGF-1. Now there could be a place for short burst HGH cycles and monthly swapping of PEG and LR3 if you ran short, fast ester cycles and jumped back on. Some people do that and have success.
The last HGH/PEG/LR3 protocol I ran was similar to what I’ve settled on now. It called for a period of HGH use, like several months at least, then run PEG for half the time you are going to run LR3. Then run LR3 solo, no growth. This was advised so as not to have too high of an IGF-1 score, to avoid the potential dangers associated with that. So you plan to run LR3 for 6 weeks you run PEG for 4. You run LR3 for four weeks then PEG for two. I basically in sense still do that, except I will run the PEG 1:1 in duration with LR3 and use LR3 with maintenance dose of HGH. I definitely won’t run a full pull of growth, to avoid trouble. I’ll save that for afterwards
I just looked and where I was gonna get my PEG from is out of stock lol
Is it AA?
If I remember right...exercise alone will increase both but MGF seems to increase a bit more. Lucky for you it doesn't bind to the typical IGF binding proteins. Can't remember it's half life but it's longer than free IGF of course.
Yeah, that’s right, it doesn’t bind but remember, I scored low outside the range for BP3.
Damn it yeah you did....now I've never seen that before. Just strange
https://www.ospublishers.com/Metformin-and-Exercise-The-Effects-of-Metfo...
Correct, insulin sensitivity. Bro, I could not give you a PEG dosing protocol with any certainty. From what I’ve experienced it’s not well defined like HGH or even LR3. All I can say is that I have ran it numerous times and that my personal dosages are on the higher end of what I’ve researched. The most I’ve ran is 714mcg per day. I’m planning on a 500mcg per day, 30 day run this time.
Well maybe I’ll try a low dose and you go high and we’ll compare at the end? Idk if I really wanna spend any more on this upcoming cycle but I’ll do some more research and see if this low dose is a waste or what
I’d be interested to hear what you come up with bro. I haven’t researched PEG in a while
What pegging dose would you recommend for a beginner mate?
About 4 inches with spit to start with then look at 6 dry after a few weeks , once you can do that your only days away from balls deep bro
I think Drexyl laid the blueprint down for us…. tongue, finger, and then the ladies smallest toy.
So this MGF is localized muscle IGF huh? You thinking that may be the better route amidst your issues?
lol, who knows. I’ve ran it several times already. Most recently at the end of my last cruise. My understanding is that both MGF and IGF can cause cell proliferation and designation into new muscle cells. There are obviously some differences as well. The bro science that I am going by states that they are complimentary to one another. You can’t run IGF-1 forever, so the theory is to alternate between the two under various protocols. Most common being one month LR3 one month PEG ran alternately continuously.
Yeah they are complimentary after all that's how the body's total IGF cycle works. Yea both increase proliferation but MGF does that a little bit better. Some tend to think only MGF increases cell proliferation. In all both do their jobs in the body accordingly. But yea ALOT of broscience out there and some can be well off and dangerous as you already know
Yeah, that’s it, exactly what I was understanding that MGF is a little better at proliferating new cells and IGF better at designating them. I’m definitely not running these things non stop alternating year round. Don’t want those problems. Just one cycle of MGF on the cruise with hopes that it will make my one IGF cycle on the blast more productive.
Hey man you know I'm pulling for ya. I'm sure you know what you're doing.
I appreciate that man. I’m definitely trying not to do too much. Only a little razzle dazzle, not competing, just having fun and trying to get a little bit bigger
I understand. Like I said you seem to have alot of sense. I know you'll keep us updated. Especially with your crazy situation lol
You already know DeeMan
It’s a good plan, unfortunately it’s all I have to offer on this one. I’m not familiar enough with the compounds your running to offer any advice. Completely outside my wheelhouse.
I figured you'd say that. Right thing to say.
Gotta keep it on the level, we all care about each other here.
Yep....we can't give out reckless info like some would like to hear.
Truth, like some of these dudes just want to get patted on the back for what they think is a slick cycle design. They don’t wanna hear drop this or lower that
But you already know even with IGF gotta be careful giving out info especially with high dosages of it.
We talked about that.
Thats true..Lol no patting on the back...negative. Keep us updated man
I know bro, I thought about that, I should have put a disclaimer in that comment up there. I did mention that it was high. I’m definitely not recommending that. Just relaying what my dosages are
O I must of missed that. I didn't see that. I was speaking in general. All good my man
Good though man, I gotta remember anyone could reading what I write
Haha that's the scary part...but this is eroids.