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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS

36/M 218 18% BF
Been on TRT for a few years. 150mg Test C per week. Have ran Test only cycles and Test w/ Sarms in the past.

Will be my first multiple compound cycle. Plan to start in a few weeks will get my bodyfat down a bit more before the cycle starts. Got bloodwork done pre cycle everything looks good.

Cycle will be TestC,Primo,Anavar,Mk-2866, and
Cardarine. Considering removing the Mk but wanted it in there cause it helps the joints.

Thoughts?

Week/ProductTest CPrimoAnavarMK-2866Carderine
1300mg400mg25mg
2300mg400mg25mg
3300mg400mg25mg
4300mg400mg25mg
5300mg400mg30mg25mg20mg
6300mg400mg30mg25mg20mg
7300mg400mg30mg25mg20mg
8300mg400mg30mg25mg20mg
9300mg400mg30mg25mg20mg
10300mg400mg30mg25mg20mg
11300mg400mg30mg25mg20mg
12300mg400mg30mg25mg20mg
Bysandtrys's picture

Test and primo are a great combo.
Would adjust the ratio based on bloodwork.
Primo has an AI effect so you may need to raise your test dose to have E2 in desired range.
Generally recommended to run at around a 1:1 ratio.
Sarms like MK would be pointless, it's weaker in its effects and may outcompete with AR receptors with your other compounds & even at 25mg it will likely skew your blood work and lipids so it's not benign.
Var would be a much better choice if you need a pre workout boost.
It also has benefits for collagen synthesis and anti cortisol effects so it will help with joints.
Lower doses like 10-20mg can be effective and at that dose can be run for longer with less negative effects.
With higher doses just might need to limit the duration if you want to keep all your health markers in check.
Cardarine is okay also.

smallsmoothballsack's picture

Yea I'm thinking I'll drop the mk2866. From advice other guys gave on this thread I think I'll extend out the primo and possibly up the dose. Thanks

simonmagus84's picture

I’m practically doing the same cycle minus the Mk. But I will run mine for 20 weeks.

smallsmoothballsack's picture

Same dosages on everything? With 20 weeks are you running the var for 6 weeks at the end or longer?

simonmagus84's picture

Doing something a little different

1-20 Test e 250 mgs
1-20 Primo 400

Var wk 3-9

Off 6 weeks

Var wk 15- wk 21 (will run one week after last shot of test)

smallsmoothballsack's picture

What dose of var?

simonmagus84's picture

Depends. Usually 40 mg is good enough for me.

Wildling's picture

Not sure if you are stuck on primo… but subbing it with NPP and upping the test could be fun and you could stay at the 12 week range… then run the var on the back end. The world is your oyster if diet is good.

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smallsmoothballsack's picture

I am kind of stuck on the primo hah. Will run deca at some point, but right now I want a more dry look.

I meal prep most of my meals but have some pretty bad cheat days..hence why my bf is so high. A couple weeks before I start the cycle I'll get dialed in.

gains26's picture

I dont want to hijack the thread but since you are asking about similar compound that i plan this summer, might as well ask here. Does anyone have experience with test-c, anavar cycle? I never tried anavar, and i thought about doing test-c 500 mg/week, anavar 210-350 mg a week? I will be starting cycle as single digit bf and looking to get lean gains with strength added. I tried masteron in past but not winstrol, thought about winnie but my joints are already dry as it is, so i want to avoid it. Hairloss doesnt happen to me so its a non issue.

smallsmoothballsack's picture

Can't give you much advice as this will be my first time with var. But 350 would be on the higher end of what most would take from what I've researched.

Really going into this cycle with the mindset of less drugs and really staying on track with training and diet.

I wanted to try Winnie but I have the same fear. Would trash my joints and the cycle would be a nightmare.

SeeOhShow's picture
  • I’d drop the var completely unless you’re using it on the back end of a deep cut where you get to real low body fat. Otherwise, it’s an overrated drug with how much it trashes your lipids. I mean it absolutely wrecks them. People also say use var because it’s “liver safe” since it’s metabolized through the kidneys instead of liver. Well the liver can regenerate from damn near anything, but your kidneys not so much. Protect those kidneys man no one wants to be on dialysis. Take your organ support supplements when running your cycles and especially on orals.
  • I’m not in the camp of saying you have to run X mg of Y compound to see any benefits. You get extra muscle growth from any amount of extra gear in your system if your diet and training is sufficient. So I have no problem with 300 test and 400 primo as your first cycle with multiple compounds. It’s safe dosages and, being your first cycle, the point is lowest dose to achieve results. As was said below though, I would suggest pushing a test/primo cycle to the 16-20 week mark.
  • I never got joint benefits from ostarine/mk-2866. Had slightly higher free test from it though. Once you’re running legit gear, I don’t really see the point of throwing in SARMs too. I’d spend the money on more gear like proviron. But if you like it, then go for it. Not a big deal on this one.
  • No issues with cardarine. Helps lower LDL and raise HDL. Gives an insane boost to endurance. Some cancer studies on it that could cause some folks to be weary.

Good luck and have fun with the cycle.

Rosschestzip's picture

I don’t think people realize how bad kidney dialysis is. My mom has worked with some patients on it and some will just give up and die. It’s not a temporary thing, maybe in some cases. But I’m almost positive it’s for life unless you get a transplant. And I also believe you have to increase time spent on the machine as time goes on. It sounds like an absolute nightmare and is one of my biggest fears from running gear. Like you said liver can regenerate and fairly well too, but not the kidneys. My skin crawls just thinking of the whole process, all the scar tissue from the needles and pumping and shit, I’ve seen some guy with chewed up vein scarring from it

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smallsmoothballsack's picture

Thanks for the long thought out response homie. Would the cardarine ldl and hdl benefits be enough to combat what the var does?

SeeOhShow's picture

Nope lol. Var is like a nuclear bomb going off on your lipid profile. I’ve done just 10mg and it cut my HDL in half and doubled my LDL. Now this is only a temporary change and bounces back quickly. If your diet is great and you keep up with your cardio, then I’m sure the effects are negligible on your long term health. Just wanted to squash this myth that var is this great drug. It is absolutely overrated. That being said, I still have it in my stash. I do get down into the single digit body fat, though, before using it. That is where it shines

Wildling's picture

I have var and winstrol coming for my next two runs. I think the key is just seeing what works for you. My body really took tren well… extremely well. However I haven’t taken it in 8 years and have only run it twice. Not sure I will again due to long term complications which was something I was trying to detail with someone on here a couple weeks ago… with that said, anavar may be one and done for me too.

Now that my Ted talk is over, still guard your insides. Abuse is abuse. HDL/LDL are important but healthy levels dictated by medical experts isn’t quite black and white. I do heavy carnivore and my cousin is 100% carnivore, our HDL/LDL is not where it “should be”. However blood work says our bodies are functioning fairly optimal and inflammation is extremely low. Personally, I don’t think people drink enough water.

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smallsmoothballsack's picture

Yea man. Although the gains seems good. I won't be getting into any tren. The potential physiological sides alone are enough to say fuck that. Plus hate no being able to sleep and getting sweaty in bed.

I'm a big advocate on proper water and electrolyte intake and balance. Only down side is once im getting up to a gallon or gallon half of water a day it's just non stop having to piss. Sucks even more on days I have a lot of work meetings.

SeeOhShow's picture

I agree. Plus the clinical data now shows that the true indicator for CVD is HDL/triglyceride ratio. However, I just want folks to be aware of what var really does. People always push it as a “side effect free” or “safe” oral. That’s not the case. I’ll cut to ~8% bf before even adding it, but then man oh man does it shine. People at 12-15% would be better off using a DHT injectable like masteron.

I also agree about the water. It’s extremely important and often overlooked. Hell I’ve had 2 liters of water before it’s even 0800. I’m constantly sipping all day. Big chugs of water in single sittings just pass through and don’t get absorbed.

smallsmoothballsack's picture

Really...I almost got masteron instead of the var but was reading kind of the opposite. That mast will just give you that final hard chiseled once you sub 10%. I really don't plan to get that far down in bf. I'm not competing and I feel the best and look great at 12.5%

SeeOhShow's picture

They’re both DHT derivatives, so both give that “dry” look and feel. Mast will just be a little easier on your lipids but possibly worse on your hairline. Primo is a DHT too.

godzillabooty94's picture

primo is a waste at 12 weeks, run it out to 16. its extremely slow acting. it doesnt start to get good until week 12. your leaving alot on the table stopping that short. also up the primo, its from what I gathered 1/3 strength of test. 400 will yield little other than a hole in the wallet, I'd recommend at least 350 test 600 primo because 600 is too high for 300 test, you'll have low e2. also if you switch to 16 just move your anavar start week much later which I'm sure you know

smallsmoothballsack's picture

Good advice. Think I'll do the first month at 400mg and reasses from there. Definitely will run it out to 16 weeks though.

simonmagus84's picture

Looks like you’ve been downvoted by a troll. Here’s the +1 back

godzillabooty94's picture

yeah i dont know why the downvote, i always advocate less is more but primo doesnt seem to follow that mantra. within reason atleast..

Stokes500's picture

That’s good advice

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