posted Sat, 05/11/2013 - 04:55
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HMG on cycle/post
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Haven't really looked into HMG (Human Menopausal Gonadotropin) but was wondering if anyone had any personal use/feedback with it. Considering adding it to my next blast.
I understand HCG = LH stimulation, while HMG = FSH stimulation as well as LH (somewhat)
HMG is suspected to act on the entire hormone feedback loop while not spiking estrogen as much and not desensitizing the user.
just thinking out loud here - would it be beneficial to use HMG on cycle, or HCG/HMG together. hmmm
maybe this is something that is not well known enough, so people overlook it when trying to design the perfect cycle
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AnonI defiantly will buy some if you get it! I've been looking for a domestic source that carried this!
AnonGet some and I'll gladly guinea pig it ;)
I have very small balls, I wish I saw this about 15 years ago, however I have a boat load of children, the oldest an adult the youngest an infant, go figure I thought the super supplements were susposed to surpress ur sperm??? Oh well. Just venting.... Good post fellas!!
BigBmajI've never had a woman tell me my balls were too small. I could give two shits how big they are. What an inviting comment.
AnonYes ive used it post and on cycle along with hcg. It had a definate impact on my boys staying nice and getting bigger post. Its super expensive at the doses u need to run. Id personnaly reccomend it in pct at 75iu every other day along with hcg. Hmg has a 36 hour half life so if u shot it monday night then wednesday morning ud be good. If ur using it on cycle id just use it for 20 days eo day as stated above, just to take a break from hcg so as to shock the boys.
safetyfirst21I'd imagine there is still a great probability of desensitization to the compound after a given amount of time. What that time is, I have no idea. Personally I'd just follow the timeline of HCG as a precautionary measure. To what validity this has, I am uncertain. Just a thought.
AnonFrom studies I have read, they have shown even at 5000 IU, HCG does not desensitize the leydig cells in our body, and that - thats nothing more than a major misconception. Probably like "deca dick."
Actually, we can become desensitized to Clomid after prolonged use. Weird :S
safetyfirst21Haven't been on in awhile, had a lot of personal shit going on. In my time off I have been looking into this topic. I have to agree with this after moderate research. I've even had a couple talks with a pharmacist I work with about the topic, he's always had good insight when we talk. It seems there is really only a sensitivity issue on much higher doses, and I mean very high. The misconception seems to be similar to that of the negative effects of AAS in general. Extreme cases can indeed cause issues. Proper educated use, and we're gravy,
AnonIts true, ive actually shot 6000iu at once to shoch the boys back to life and it worked and hcg still works for me. Only downside with that dose is ur balls hurt like hell lol.
safetyfirst21I've never ran it and it's a pain to find, at least when I looked around. I've researched it a bit. It increases FSH more than HCG. HCG works more with LH than HMG. I'd imagine a combination would be quite beneficial in recovery and could, theoretically, allow for a shorter PCT. Full bloods of course for a definitive answer here. I've only really seen it used for fertility reasons, though, HCG is used similarly. I convinced an old co-worker to switch from Clomid and HCG to Clomid and HMG for this reason, as he and the wife were trying to conceive. He moved back to Russia though, so I don't know his results.
AnonMy negro!! HMG is a commonly used fertility drug in men combined with HCG as well as clomid. This trio has been a cocktail that many fertility specials recommend.
What's ur thoughts for on cycle? Keeping ur free test levels up? Sort of like hcg? But without the estro? Run some Aromasin to lower SHGB and free that test up even more:)
Talk to me goose.
AnonIm running a 20 week'er. So I was thinking of running HCG x2 a weeks from about week 6-20 at 250iu each jab.
Then following the last injection im thinking of using HMG for 14 days prior to starting traditional PCT at 85IU a day.
ive read a lot about the controversial PCT of scally using HCG on post for 16 days at 2000IU EOD with blood work on day 7 to see what the levels are at and have considered that as well. I just like to go against the norm bro
with that, I'd use clomid at at 100/100//50/50/50 then Nolva at 20 straight across, load the aro then run at 6.25 for the duration as well.
safetyfirst21You don't want to run your HCG more than 7-8 weeks at a time for the loss of sensitivity. Maybe 5 on, 4 off, 5 on. I see more value in running both at once, opposed to one than the other. If you wanna blast at the tail end why not blast both, or run both while on cycle, spread out accordingly. Aromasin ups your LH and FSH as well, and if you never really allowed it to fall far with the HCG and HMG, the effect of all 3 together would leave a lot less work for the PCT. This all sounds good on paper at least.
AnonI disagree, I use hcg all the time at 500iu 2x a week and it still works for me. I think thats just bro science shit, even trt guys shoot hcg every week for years so as to keep their balls think about it.
Anonthats what im having my inner-self debate on right now. If I could, I wouldn't run HCG on cycle just due to the length. But at the same time, with the long cycle ill already be flirting with atrophy.
AnonThat's how I'd run it. I wouldn't do hcg that much for 16 straight so I like the first idea. Are there any bloods on that hcg protocol of 2000iu eod? That seems like a lot of aromatization going on in the background. Interesting....
AnonI guess test and clinical studies show that even at 5000iu, desensitization of the leydig cells doesn't occur (HCG)
that would be the main thing, perhaps I would jump the nolva around 40mg and with everything else, I can't imagine i'd have estro issues, but then again - blood work would prove invaluable. im tinkering around with different possibilities
AnonUr body needs estrogen to produce testosterone. It honestly pisses me of when guys say dont use it in pct thats bullshit. When u come of cycle u have barely any test or estrogen at all, u need that estrogen from the hcg hmg whatever to produce more test its a ratio thing. Ur bodys like oh fuck ive got all this free estrogen but no testosterone better make more testosterone to even things out. Its called homeostasis people jesus christ its stupid not to run hcg in pct if u have a source for it. Sorry for the tangant just really pisses me off when people say oh no, dont do that but then have no ryhm or reason as to why except estro which u need to produce test.
safetyfirst21True that you need these to recover or keep the body convinced its active, however, HCG mimics the bodies LH. Using it in PCT will potentially suppress the bodies own LH production. This is the reason its frowned upon.
safetyfirst21I'm going to be looking deeper into this later on tonight. I pulled up a couple reports on my phone. Based on one, if you calculate out dosage in a ratio to that of the subjects you would have to go over the FDA approved dosage to cause desensitization. I'll report back on this later.
AnonI'm looking up links right now on Scally.
The Scally Pct is good! HCG blast are good for anyone whom used steroids!
I like several of these methods:
1000Iu Ed for ten days
2000Iu Eod for twenty days
Hell Rich PINA USES 5000iu EoD!
When he comes off, and he actually does come off everything but HGH!
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AnonDamn, thats nuts lol, 5000iu every other day.