posted Thu, 04/25/2024 - 04:05
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Clomid During an AAS Cycle?
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Has anyone experimented using Clomid DURING an AAS cycle alongside Anastrozole to control estrogen when using AAS that does not aromatize?
Example: 10 week cycle
600mg Test Prop /week
150mg Tren Ace /week
200mg Deca /week
100mg Oxymetholone /day
Anastrozole will obviously help control estrogen in relation to the Test Prop but be useless with the Tren Ace or Oxymetholone as they don’t aromatize but do bind with estrogen receptors and may cause side effects similar to what you get with aromatization.
Could you use 25mg /day Clomid (low dose) to reduce the ability for Oxymetholone in particular to bind with estrogen receptors therefore reducing possible side effects of that particular drug (gyno, water retention and ED)?
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Just ran bloodwork. E2 was 90 at week 4 of this cycle. Was having some sexual function issues but no signs of gyno or water retention as I'm keeping sodium intake and calories on lower side. Took a micro dose of Clomid at 25mg a day. Brought E2 back down to normal rage or 30. No side effects. I feel great and sexual function is now back to normal after only 5 days. Will take blood again in 2 weeks to see if it E2 sits there or if I need to titrate the medication. At this time I'm very very happy with this result.
Im doing 1 hour of cardio a day after 90 minutes of training for cardio vascular support. Taking TUDCA for liver support and fish oil for cardiovascular support. 20mg Cialis a day for BP. My BP is in normal range. Asprin for blood. All seems to be working.
Will inform of any additional result when I do my 6 week bloodwork (I'm doing blood every 2 weeks).
Definitely not the best idea to add Clomid.
If you're trying to prevent E2 related symptoms on your cycle then tamoxifen or raloxifene would be the drug of choice.
Clomid is mainly used for HPG axis recovery and even then its known to have unwanted side effects.
Agree with previous post, the cycle is quite a lot and may be toxic so might not be the best option for your overall goals in the long term. Would consider a different cycle design depending on what you're trying to get out of it.
SERMs are known to have increased clotting risk.
Gotcha on the Clomid.
This cycle was actually recommended by a doctor under strict guidance (bloodwork monthly). My goal is to put on about 20-30 lbs lean muscle. I ran an similar cycle but with dbol rather than Oxy and had very few side effects and my bloodwork was surprisingly okay at the end of the cycle considering what i was on. My AST and ALT were elevated but not alarmingly so. I added TUDCA to help with that. My estrogen was really high which is why Im looking at adding a low dose SERM on this cycle.
This is what I did previously (yes, these numbers are correct) and added about 25 lbs of lean muscle in 12 weeks.
Tren Ace 600mg week (200mg M/W/F)
Deca 400mg (200mf T/Sa)
Test Prop 500mg (250mg Th/Su)
Dianabol 50mg daily
HCG 500IU M/W/F
Anastrozol 1mg EOD
The only side effect I had on this cycle was some insomnia which I fixed by taking 5 HTP before bed. Knocked me out.
Jay Cutler used a low dose 25mg of tamoxifen when he saw E2 related symptoms during a similar cycle. So you may be right that tamoxifen is a better option.
Ive started the current cycle but only with 50mg of Oxy and have zero side effects. The gear I'm using is very high quality so I know its real.
Do not use clomid for long periods, known for clotting. You are 215 5 11 and you need this much gear? Double nors? Toxic doses of oxy? Good thing you posted so I can save your internal organs from unneeded destruction. Please rethink this and drop a few compounds, this is an estro nightmare.
Guess I am late to this intervention.
This was actually offered by a doctor and he’s monitoring my bloodwork monthly
Yes, that is great but I will bet your liver I know more about this then him. And I don't get paid to get you scripts or advice. The are several members all vets, telling you no. We don't get anything out of it except to know we helped. So you would know all your health markers are off. I know how to read bloodwork post it after 4 weeks of the anadrol..
See above.
My AST was elevated (to be expected) but now in the high normal range since I've added TUDCA to my regimen. My E2 was 90 but after adding clomid dropped down to 30. BP is normal. Taking Aspirin for blood. My doctor is impressed with numbers considering what I'm on.
Will report again in a few weeks as I'm running blood every two weeks. I'm running it often to see before and after effects of these sups on my numbers.
Ill post my blood in a few weeks. Thank you. Im taking TUDCA to help control AST and ALT. I did a similar cycle recently with Dbol and had few side effects and my bloodwork was surprisingly good. We will see how I tolerate the Oxy.
This is what I did previously (yes, these numbers are correct) and added about 25 lbs of lean muscle in 12 weeks.
Tren Ace 600mg week (200mg M/W/F)
Deca 400mg (200mf T/Sa)
Test Prop 500mg (250mg Th/Su)
Dianabol 50mg daily
HCG 500IU M/W/F
The only side effect I had on this cycle was some insomnia which I fixed by taking 5 HTP before bed. Knocked me out.
Copy buddy, nobody here is dogging you just trying to look out. Maybe you have a bullet proof liver but even at anavar over 30mgs per day starts to mess my lipids up. Keeps us informed.
I get it and appreciate that.
Good points. On top of all that this gentleman is 50 years old. Just looking out for him that's all.
I do not want him to do this at all for health reasons and no one. 10 weeks on orals, we have studies that confirms this melts your insides.
+1 hey you said it... All we can do is give our advice which is good enough.
Applause! And pulsing would be better if he goes yolo
Is Yolo a new member or what? @Jockstrap who or what are you talking about?
YouOnlyLiveOnce self destructive, self sabatoging attitude is what he is talking about lol
100mg abombs aday. Yeeeehawwww
Get on it
No. Thats insanity. Drop a handgrenade to smoosh an ant.
I tried this hoping to be a way for keeping the boys alive. But all I found was it sort of fucked with my mood.
Im only taking 25mg so the dose is low enough that Im not getting any sides -- but allegedly will reduce my estrogen (my estrogen is high despite the Anastrozole). I'm trying this out as Jay Cutler says he used Anastrozole alongside Nova for estrogen control for the reasons I cited above. I'm replacing Nolva for Clomid.
Just know that when using nolvadex or clomid on cycle you WILL be reducing your IGF levels slightly....just depends on dosage. Be safe and I'm sure Oxy will be dropped before that 10 week mark.
50mg Oxy first two weeks. 100mg Oxy for 8 weeks.
Ok so I have to agree with DavosD, Stokes500, Bearded and Pumped. They are giving you good advice...honestly man at age of 50 you shouldn't be running Tren with Anadrol, especially for 10 weeks and no one should suggest otherwise, that would be silly to do so. No attack on you but at the end of the day it's about your health. But hey it's just advice that's all. Be safe man.
Tren and deca at once?! Ive done nolvadex during cycle to combat gyno but not sure clomid would do the exact thing. Why all the experiments on your body?! Just keep it simple i would say.
I take a low dose of Deca for joints.
I have done 125mg deca added with test just for joints only. Thats what i consider "low dose" and is plenty for joint relief
Good point....no need for both at once
Explain your reasoning for that cycle and goals? Like @Bearded_muscle said why the deca and tren surely it makes more sense to drop one and increase the other depending on goals
Bodybuilding. Best lean bulking cycle according to doctor. Strength is going through the roof so I take a low dose of Deca to protect joints.
In my opinion 10 weeks is not long enough for a bulking cycle and I dont understand why you would run fast esters like prop and ace for a bulk especially while running a long ester like deca as surly it makes more sense to pin less often and run enth or cyp? And why run the tren so low but run 100mg of oxy daily , would it not make more sense and be more beneficial to just up the tren to 300mg
I seem to remember from past conversations he lifts for strength bud.
size
Good point
Bud NPP and Tren are incredible together!! Get all the benefits of both of them rolled into one - Size, Joint help, appetite boost and feel good from the NPP, and the pure muscle and strength effects from the trenbolone.
I agree big dog. Pharmacom has a mix I tried years back that I really liked. Don't remember the number but it contained test, tren and deca
That'll be MIX 3 Brosef!! Deca, Test E and Tren E
He said deca not NPP and to a degree I can see why NPP and tren ace would work together both being fast acting but I would never run 2 19s together my self. The cycle just makes little to no sense to me
May do NPP on the next cycle. This particular cycle was suggested by a doctor as the best for lean bulk. It seems to be working really well for me.
Lets add the disclaimer haha. Thats some advance shit though lets not give these gymbros wild ideas lol.
It could be great if you know what you're doing, if not you can fuck yourself up royally using them together.
How could you do that bud? If you get prolactin issues then use Caber, same as running DBol and Test together - if you get estrogen issues use an AI.
Why tren and Deca in the same cycle?
Low dose Deca for joints.
Ok so you’re 50 years old (according to stats)
You do not need to be running tren
You do not need to be running anadrol
At your age, a little test, maybe some growth hormone, would do the trick. If you’re feeling like you need a second anabolic some moderate primo.
The health risks are higher at your age so I recommend a milder cycle with longevity in mind.